Interpreting Cues in a Noisy Universe

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A job of any entrepreneur is to listen to constant feedback, and as a leader, evaluate the relevancy of that feedback to decide whether and how to take action on it. Feedback of course comes from the individuals around an entrepreneur—teammates, customers, mentors, and advisors—but feedback can also come from roundabout or seemingly random places. 

In this eighth episode of the Mindstorm podcast series, Adeo Ressi (Founder Institute CEO) is back with Josh Whiton (Founder of Makesoil). Together, they discuss how startup founders can listen to and interpret the signals that the universe sends their way, and how they decide in their own lives whether these cues should be acted upon.

They explore topics including:

• Signs from the universe, or cues from the world around us, about what direction or action entrepreneurs and innovators should take
• Communicating with reality by creating intention to see feedback and use it as dialogue to inform decision-making
• Forces - positive pulls towards, and negative pushes away
• Feedback mechanisms and an entrepreneur’s job in navigating and interpreting that feedback

The following includes a full transcript from this Founder Insights podcast episode – these transcripts are produced by a third-party natural language processing algorithm, and are not checked word-for-word by humans for complete accuracy—so, there may be some errors or typos!  

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Adeo Ressi  0:01 

Hi there, welcome to Mindstorm, the podcast about awakened and aware entrepreneurship. My name is Adeo Ressi. I'm CEO of the Founder Institute. I'm joined here by Josh.

 

Josh Whiton  0:13 

Hi, everybody. I'm Josh Whiton, founder of MakeSoil.org.

 

Adeo Ressi  0:17 

We try and talk about real things that don't normally get discussed when it comes to entrepreneurship. And we're going to go on the more unusual side of topics today to be talking about listening to signs from the universe about what you should do or the direction that you might want to go in. And, and, you know, science from the universe is probably a term that may not resonate with everyone who's listening. So another way is sort of cues from the world around you that you might be doing something right. Or you might be doing something wrong. The back feedback, you know, force that you can have positive force that pulls you are negative force that pushes you away from something. So a lot of times as human beings, especially as entrepreneurs, you get an idea in your head and you're like, I'm going over there. And the universe, so to speak, this sort of feedback mechanism might be saying no, right? Like, no, no, no. And then your job a lot of the time is to navigate, you know, is that feedback that I should stop, maybe it's feedback that I should work harder, and interpreting the signals into action is really challenging and that that's why I wanted to talk about it. Now you said you're feeling kind of blank on this subject today.

 

Josh Whiton  1:51 

Well, it I am filling in the blank on the subject today, but it is quite often a part of my Life and is actually part of my normal, my normal way of navigating reality. So even even in my feeling flat about it, I think I can still draw something.

 

Adeo Ressi  2:11 

Well, the reason I brought that up is because I think I was like, well, let's jump into it and something will come to you. And that's was a feeling that I had with no absolute guidance. There was no is this right or is this wrong? It was just like my gut feeling. I'm like, I bet if we got started something amazing Will you know, and that and that was again, it made no sense right? A lot of times the feedback you're getting the conversation you have is senseless, right? It doesn't logically, it's kind of useless, right? It'd be trying to apply logic. Well, what why did you have that feeling? I can't explain it. So a lot of times the feedback you're getting is completely alive.

 

Josh Whiton  3:00 

Yes. Okay, so let's back up a little bit here because we might be leaving some people behind. The whole reason that we're going down this path is because in our experience, as to well reason, guys with tech backgrounds, right, we know how to write code. We know what logic is, blah, blah, blah. And yet, we've had an experience of a much larger intelligence at work in the world things happening, coincidences that happen so intensely that it just defies probabilities. So that's why you've got that's a little background, you got two guys with that conviction who want to optimize this connection with whatever this larger forces or communication

 

Adeo Ressi  3:42 

so I would. So I think that you use the phrase that I now use all the time in this podcast called communication with reality. And it's not a one way communication, but it's a two way communication and what I've learned with That phrase and thinking through it is that this dialogue you have is is can be very interesting. Like you might get feedback from the universe that going one way is wrong. Yeah. But you can still go that way if you want. Right and so that your response to that feedback could be like, No, I'm going to still go that way. Yeah, no, the universe so to speak, this larger intelligence may throw another obstacle in your way. And you can still go through that as well.

 

Josh Whiton  4:32 

So for instance, this morning and you set off camera you think I'm a bit off lately, but this morning, I was also off like I had this I told this as co project we have that's I said was my third priority and I get around to it today. And whatever my first and second priorities were, man, they kicked my butt. I got nowhere with them. You know what I beat my head against some weird neuroscience equipment that I've been messing with because I just I've got this curiosity about something Three hours later, I had nothing to show for it, you know, like, I plug it in, in this thing in this thing in and I get one result on the screen and I'm like, Okay, this is what we know this, these three pieces work together. And then I plugged them in 10 minutes later, I was getting completely non deterministic behavior and I had the thought during it. This is just not what you're supposed to be working on. But I

 

Unknown Speaker  5:19 

kept I did

 

Josh Whiton  5:20 

not let go. You know, the dog is still hanging on to the car bumper or whatever. And it was a very unsatisfying morning.

 

Unknown Speaker  5:28 

Well, you know, so so is the opposite of flow.

 

Adeo Ressi  5:31 

So, so great Case in point, right. And meanwhile, there was very little things that we had talked about that didn't be super

 

Josh Whiton  5:41 

important and timely.

 

Adeo Ressi  5:43 

Yeah, relating to the podcast. So so so but that's a great example. Right? And I think we all experienced this where we're like, wow, there's something I need to do. You start doing it, nothing works. It's almost like university to telling you to stop. And yet because we're stubborn, or we put our logical mind on, and what I've been finding lately that's really been effective for my mental well being and, and and actual productivity. Is that what I would call an overall patients? And it and what that means is like, let's use your morning example. Okay? I'm working on this thing, it's not working out. Okay. Part of me has this urgency that I want to work on it, I want to see results. The reality is I'm working on it, I'm not getting results. So I have to be patient, right, step back from what I want. And say maybe there's a reason right now it's not working. Maybe I should come back to it later and then say what should I be doing right now. A lot of times Saying fills that void that void created by the patient and it's much more productive. And in fact, if I think about this, I'll give you I can give hundreds of examples actually let's

 

Josh Whiton  7:13 

finish with this example first because you just made me think of something which is when I was wondering if I had already come up with a false premise which was I needed to figure this thing out by tonight so I could give this equipment back to this person so I could hop a flight tonight okay, but if I really stop if I were to take this as a conversation with the universe, not inflow things are not working. I had the idea Wait a minute. I think this guy just might let me keep this equipment for a lot longer. I came up with the idea that I needed this done tonight to give it back to give that I don't really have I don't really have a plane ticket yet tonight. Like I tend to buy them right before I get on the plane. So do I really know that I'm even leaving tonight? I don't know. I've had the universe overrule overrule that before too. So there was a flawed premise to begin with, in which I constructed my priorities. And quite often, if the universe is not allowing things to flow, and you're like, but I've got to it's no, maybe you don't maybe the whole premise you've started with is wrong.

 

Adeo Ressi  8:14 

Well, I'll give you a great example. So I have my kids tonight. And I've been invited to a dinner of changemakers who are all in the environmental space like yourself. I bet that if I wrote my friend and said, Hey, can I I haven't seen my kids in a little while because I've been traveling for business can you do you mind if very qualified fellow entrepreneur took my spot, and I'll join you for drinks later? She would be a hard yes on that. And now you would actually meet some people in your direct line of business which is, so maybe that is so right there, you know, Case in point

 

Josh Whiton  8:59 

and I thought Second meeting in San Francisco that I've been blowing off. And I thought, well, it's just not going to happen though, because I don't have the time to get up there from flying out. And now there's like another vote that like me, right?

 

Adeo Ressi  9:09 

So let's go back. And let's unpack this a little bit. Right. So you did the classic entrepreneur. mistake. Yeah. Which it which is, you created a mental model, which might have even been right or wrong at the time, but let's say it's wrong. Right? And most mental models are wrong. Now, instead of when you're getting feedback that that mental model is wrong. Like, maybe you don't need to return it. Maybe you don't need to leave tonight. Right? So this mental model is wrong. Now on top, but you're continuing to force it in the world and you're getting this feedback, the models wrong, that maybe it's not right, that's not fulfilling for you. And and the, you know, the two questions that come up that every entrepreneur faces is like, you know, when do you know what that feedback is? And then what do you do with that feedback? Because a lot of times, you know, we're doing we're all doing hard things. Right? So so so I'll tell a story of my own in this and to emphasize this point, but just to finish the point first, so like, we're all doing hard things to work and negative feedback is expected. But you know, when is it like so negative that it's like, Okay, time to start. And, and a story that I had is, so I was raising a fund, and we ran in the holidays. And then we kind of came out of the holidays, and I was like, I would try and be like, I'm gonna pick it up. And for one reason or another didn't happen, then I'd be like, God I'm doing I like I need to do it now and then it wouldn't happen and rather than just pushing through.

 

I would be like, okay, it's not

 

happening rat. Don't complain, like, Wait till it happens. And then one night on a boat. I looked up this stuff I'm like, man, it shouldn't happen by now this is wrong. I'm just gonna do it. I wrote it Senate. It was like, the heavens opened up Josh, we had the highest converting email I've ever seen. It's almost 20% of people that see the email, click the link. Okay, that's unheard of. On top of that, we got wires were coming in soon, like we're gonna close the fund in days. And it was like I'm sure if I had rushed it or done a different time, I would never have gotten those results. It was like, the right time came when the right time came. But like, How do you know? Right or even you and speaking we're going to be speaking together at four years from now and I was had all these other speakers and then I'm just like it's fireside chat Let me ask Josh you're like yeah, let's do it I want to improve my It was like,

 

Josh Whiton  12:07 

well, I had just cancelled two other speaking engagements and again using this principle I think I think what our listeners can begin to see is this is how a day and I think we're in conversation with the universe and looking for little things to happen right so signals signals so so for instance, when I was thinking about bailing on these other two speaking opportunities, I wrote each one and said to the organizers, essentially for a number of reasons you know, I would I would like to not come if I can still not come if it's not going to put you guys in a super hard position right now they think of all the responses I could have gotten back like, though we've already signed up the thing like you're screwing us like you're gonna Baba blah, you know, you are obligated there could have been a lot of responses. And instead they said, We understand there is another speaker who's local to which actually aren't Giving a tried, you wouldn't have to come in for it blah, blah, blah. It was smooth. And I was like, Oh, that's interesting. And I said great. Let's and I asked a couple more qualifying questions and just decided Yeah, what it just didn't never felt like it was the right thing for me to be doing at the time and I saw the universe kind of say,

 

Adeo Ressi  13:16 

open the door.

 

Josh Whiton  13:17 

Yeah, hit the little extra sketch, shake it up. And then it was hours after that, that you and I decided to go do this talk together. Oh,

 

Adeo Ressi  13:23 

yeah. So that's so so and and I had something similar happen with a speaking opportunity and which they disguise like, would you like to speak I'm like, Yeah, and I went to change my flight and they gave me $200 back Who the hell changes? Yes, money. Sounds like lots pretty easy. I made money by staying for this conference. So

 

Unknown Speaker  13:47 

those the signs were talking about

 

Adeo Ressi  13:48 

right but like, again, so let's see. Why didn't you listen this morning?

 

Josh Whiton  13:54 

Because I was I also think I ate like some some Something I've a food allergy to, like, I felt my consciousness pull on it for a little while. So you were in low carb. I was in a low consciousness thing. And so I thought, okay, I feel so awful if I can just get one thing that's been nagging me off my list, and it was this hardware stuff rather than we'll just start with that. But again, I'd already because I was in a low state of consciousness. I couldn't step back and see that my, my original premise was not true. Maybe there's a there's a reason I wasn't meant to solve this whole hardware situation the next hour the way I thought it was going to solve it, right?

 

Adeo Ressi  14:31 

Yes. So so I would enter this

 

Josh Whiton  14:33 

as a higher priority, which is like our other thing, right? So So

 

Adeo Ressi  14:36 

the best way that I could describe it, because look, when when I open this conversation, we didn't come in here with answers. Everyone like this is not like, oh, we're gonna give you the answer. I was like, he's like, why do you want to talk about this? And I'm like, gosh,

 

I don't want to get better at it

 

Josh Whiton  14:53 

will do. I didn't want to talk. He said, That's why you need to talk about this.

 

Adeo Ressi  14:57 

I'm not that good at reading the science in the world. could certainly be better. So, so the best way that I can describe it is like bread crumbing. Like when you're listening, and you're hearing the feedback, you're getting, like positive reinforcement, and you find another little breadcrumb and it's like positive reinforcement and you find another little breadcrumbs positive reinforcement. Conversely, when you're in the long direction, which, by the way, I think there is no absolute right and wrong, but their cues from the universe, that you're going directionally wrong and directionally right, hold an efficient path

 

Josh Whiton  15:39 

or a really inefficient path.

 

Adeo Ressi  15:41 

Right. And and, and, you know, there's the bigger question is to what end and I want to get to that in a moment, but you start seeing like, little problems like, Oh, you know, my hotel, get, you know, didn't book me on the right dates and like, Oh, you know, the The flight is like, comes in at a weird time and like and all the and you're like, Whoa, this something's not just let me try and fix it and then that fix doesn't like you're on hold for an hour and a half. And you're like, wait a minute, nothing is flowing, right?

 

Josh Whiton  16:18 

It's not like we're saying the universe is saying, you should stop working hard and doing important things and go order a pizza and just watch Netflix for the rest of your life. It's quite often there's another important, impactful thing you could be doing instead,

 

Adeo Ressi  16:33 

right? in alignment with your so this goes back to a lot of times we and in fact, do. We were also talking we kind of covered some of this in the manifestation talk, where, you know, manifesting is saying I want to achieve a certain thing or see a certain thing in the world that makes the world more beautiful, right? And you don't necessarily have a straight route to that thing. It's not like you wake up The thing just happens. But so this is sort of like a guidance system of your intentions. And then sort of the universe created by you and others to get to your intention. And a lot of times it's not a straight path. So if you sit down, you're like, I'm going to get this device working. And for whatever reason, you have some other intentions of play the universe is other pieces of feedback. Maybe, you know, I'll give you a Let's Play your your machine hypothetical out very simply. From what I hear, there could be two other things at work. One, you might need to stay a bit longer because there's an tethered or untended to opportunity. And to maybe it's not the right time to return the machine.

 

Josh Whiton  17:52 

And what's weird is the way the stuff came to me. It's pretty obscure hardware. You know, we're talking, you know, brainwave reading equipments in high quality. And I was in town. My, my set of this stuff is several states away. I wrote a buddy, I said you have this stuff on you, you know at your place. Yes, he has a stuff. I said Are you happy? Are you coming to Palo Alto anytime soon? I've actually got an appointment there this afternoon, right like so I ain't like within a couple hours I had this obscure neuroscience equipment in my possession so that's what that's the flowy part

 

Adeo Ressi  18:31 

right the so so so but how do we be more caught like and I guess the topic is how do you listen better? So that's a great example of you listening well, like oh, I need it intention. guy who has it? Oh, he's hasn't he? Oh, he's coming to San for you ask the right questions. you unpack the breadcrumbed your way do it landing in your lap, but I can set tell you From vast amounts of experience, there's many times where, you know, I'm I'm not having that flowy experience. And so that's sort of what the thesis is here. How do you get better at it?

 

Josh Whiton  19:13 

Right? I've also been missing my my meditation a bit not hitting it, like I'm used to. And I think if the goal of things like meditation is to give you that, that separation between impulsive action and the meta perspective, right, so this having, it's kind of yourself a timeout,

 

Adeo Ressi  19:32 

patient, pay I think patience is really the so if you don't

 

Josh Whiton  19:37 

feel without escapism, though you're like patient and paying attention, and that's rare. Yeah, people can be patient long as like numbing themselves out and distracting themselves, right? patient and attentive, not a not a written on a common combination. So

 

Adeo Ressi  19:50 

patient and listen it Yeah, right. Because what's the cue that you know and and I think that's really beautiful. Like, you know, can we not? Jim, we talked about this yesterday when it comes to problems like sort of not jump right in with an answer. But but sort of wait. And so if you feeling resistance on something,

 

Josh Whiton  20:15 

right, either internal or external,

 

Adeo Ressi  20:18 

right, exactly either internal and external, don't be like, Oh, I'm going to like jump in and do whatever I can to break through you. Maybe just wait a moment. And similarly, if you're feeling a pull toward something, and you're not sure why or what, give yourself a moment to let it reveal it,

 

Josh Whiton  20:39 

yes. And I know it sounds paradoxical, because you you also spend a lot of time helping entrepreneurs to not give up. But that's that's a slightly different context, right? You don't want to give up on the big vision or the intention.

 

Adeo Ressi  20:52 

Pick, I don't know I'm not talking about you know, a lot of times the patients I'm talking about is measured in hours a day, right? Not talk right? years and read and decades.

 

Josh Whiton  21:05 

That's right. Yeah.

 

Adeo Ressi  21:06 

Not like in a decade, our turn

 

Josh Whiton  21:09 

your psych patients is not giving up for years and packing it up.

 

Adeo Ressi  21:12 

I might even say like, it's giving it space to reveal itself. What what I learned the right next step is, and then and then being. So so like, I think the great example was, you and I, and and speaking at this conference, because I had all these people on a target list. I'm moving through it. A few people were like, Oh, I can do it like this. Right. And I was, I had a feeling because I was like, Oh, I could just lock it down. And I was sort of a day late anyway, when they wanted me to lock it down. isn't that bad in the whole scheme of things, so I could have locked it down. I'm like, let me just let me you know, I didn't love the option. Right? And I'm like, let me let me give it some space, even though there was a lot of pressure. And sure enough, it worked out. So I think like, you know, not feeling like pressure or, you know, discomfort but allowing it to

 

Unknown Speaker  22:20 

resolve. And if you think about kind of

 

Josh Whiton  22:24 

a bit more of the magic a glimpse into the magic of that moment there. The conversation came up on the way to breakfast. Because I didn't know about this, this opportunity you had.

 

Adeo Ressi  22:35 

Yeah, I think we should tell everyone the exact story. So I, Josh is staying over at my place, and I came down for breakfast and overheard him, I guess, talking with your advisor about speaking Exactly. And then I was giving you thoughts on, you know, the speaking circuit on a conversation in a car ride to breakfast, at which point I'm like, oh, wait a minute. We could do this big speaking thing together that would be very high profile. And it was like,

 

Josh Whiton  23:06 

and if you if if you hadn't overheard me talking to my guy, and we hadn't made time to go to breakfast, and if it's weird, like, we might have been two ships passing in the night not connecting on this, right?

 

Adeo Ressi  23:17 

Well, that happens a lot. And I think that happens a lot when you're not. So let's try and make this super practical because we now we have a bunch of entrepreneurs that are listening, and they're probably like, Oh my god, there's some magic here. I know, I feel the call call many times, like, how do I turn this into a practice of being, you know, mindful and aware and listening to feedback? You know, the first thing that I would say is that understanding that there are sort of almost a unexplicable force that giving you feedback. And that feedback is conversational. Just being aware that that's happening, rather than ignorant to it would be super helpful for most entrepreneurs.

 

Josh Whiton  24:15 

That's the premise. And then there's the skill. But you're right. Whenever we're oftentimes not taught this premise to begin with, so how much practice are people really getting? Right? And this is a skill that to seasoned entrepreneurs who, you know, we've got a formula for how to do things, we've got a map, we've got experience, we've got grit, we've got all that and we're saying, Hey, this is an important skill.

 

Adeo Ressi  24:37 

Yeah. And it's counterintuitive, right? Because a lot of people are like, paint the chart, you know, go that way. And a lot of times, it's quite like it's like listen as well. So I think the awareness is step one, then step two is sort of so what I find is, your feelings are really helpful here. Now. As you mentioned, you were feeling really frustrated, frustrated this morning. Conversely, like,

 

Unknown Speaker  25:07 

when I

 

Adeo Ressi  25:08 

feel unsettled about something like, Oh, I don't know, this doesn't feel right, right.

 

Unknown Speaker  25:16 

Like, don't do it. Yeah,

 

Adeo Ressi  25:18 

right, really stop. Because if your feelings are saying no, and you can point to little things that you know, aren't working, right. So again, then you're going to start you have these negative feelings and you have some sort of small negative externalities. I would say at that point, it's a sign to stop

 

Josh Whiton  25:40 

and to not and to stop and not just do the reactive opposite of the thing you're going to do is really that comes out of that patients, you're talking Yeah.

 

Adeo Ressi  25:47 

And then give it the opportunity for the right thing. Now, here's the other thing that I found in that moment, because we show so talk about the right thing moment, but so let's say you're trying to do something your Feeling a little weird, you're getting some external negative signaling. Stop. Right? That would be my my second piece of advice. third piece of advice is then be patient. Right? Don't jump in to the first thing that comes along or the opposite thing. And then my, my, my, my follow on piece to advice to the patients. The fourth piece would be, be It's not often, like, obvious what the next thing is. Right? Because a lot of people have a checklist. So they're like, Okay, well, this isn't working. So the next thing on my list is to do this. But in fact, the universe so to speak, might be giving you feedback to do something totally different, like go on vacation. And you're like, so I think you if your stop and patient, then you need to be very open. Yes. And it could be something totally left

 

Josh Whiton  26:58 

and it might become obvious, but there's that period where it's not obvious. There's no nothing to fill the vacuum and you've really just gotta, you gotta make the space like you're talking about. Yeah. So maybe, because it became obvious when you said, Oh my gosh, I've got, I need a co speaker for this thing. And we're talking about this on the overheard, you're like, it became obvious, but there was this period where I had to sit with. Now these ones don't feel right, I'm canceling them. Right. I don't know why I'm canceling them as opposed to doing more speaking, lot less speaking, right? There's this uncomfortable period of patience there. And then it became obvious,

 

Adeo Ressi  27:30 

right? And then and then so then let the universe show you what the next step is, and it may not be the obvious next step. And then, you know, outside of that, I want to look on the positive side. So that's sort of the negative externality path, which I think most entrepreneurs just totally ignore. But I think most entrepreneurs also it totally ignore the positive side. So like things are flowing, things are working. I actually have a term for this which is the message Magic. And it's entirely possible that you can fuck the magic off. Right? And I see people do this a lot when things are flowing really well, and they're like, almost like whoa, like, you know, and they try and stop it because they think maybe they don't deserve it or what it like. It's like a self destructive, impulsive reaction. And you can break the magic very easily, like when things are flowing and decisions are going well and the team is making everything work. And every problem just goes away.

 

Josh Whiton  28:40 

Yeah, you go, you go mind really screwed up.

 

Adeo Ressi  28:43 

Yeah. So it can be immediately forwarded if you lose that flow. Yeah. So I think if you have the magic and you're on you're following the breadcrumbs, you know, being the first thing that I would say there As a piece of advice would be, you know, realize that it's happened. Yes. Right. And then because most people don't even appreciate it time for gratitude. Yeah, it's a good time for gratitude. Exactly. And then instead of fighting it, like, try and follow it as best as possible, and if it leads you in some weird places, as long as things keep going, I would say keep proceeding. Like, I'll give you an example of the starting of the founder Institute. Like we tried to make the founder Institute virtual, because we didn't want to, you know, it makes a lot of sense.

 

Josh Whiton  29:45 

Yeah. And offices real estate.

 

Adeo Ressi  29:47 

Yeah. All the things we did. Fail. Yeah. Meanwhile, people were knocking on our door all we want to bring the founder Institute to San Diego, we want to bring the founder Institute to Singapore. You can't Right. And then we were like, Okay, let's try that. And then it just took off, right. But it was if I had stuck with no only virtual, like, we'd probably be a total failure today. But meanwhile, we're in 200 something cities with operations and all those cities because the you I was being led to do that, and I didn't find it nice. So some of the things that you're led to do may not even make a lot of sense. And may not even be in your plan. Yeah. But if things are flowing and growing and working, right, don't fight it. Yeah.

 

Josh Whiton  30:41 

Absolutely. I don't want anything else. But this but this is a this is a constant conversation that I feel like I am having me with the universe. I don't always get the memo. Sometimes. It has to show up as a buddy to tell you what, you know, haste to stop and take a timeout. But let's get better at this skill because this is this This is how you go from startups that in many endeavors, but startups they don't need to kill you, right? Like you team up with the university, listen for the feedback, you learn how to be patient, and listen, it's still going to be tough. still gonna still might be the hardest thing you've ever done. But it doesn't need to destroy you and ruin your health and drive you crazy. And there's a there's a more elegant way.

 

Adeo Ressi  31:23 

I think the word team up with the universe is really beautiful. Because I think when you're getting those signs of the direction to go in, right, and those signs lead the flow. What's happening is you're bringing the resources of you know, the wider human consciousness life on the planet, etc. And they're, they're supporting Yes, right. And so I love that concept of teaming up

 

Josh Whiton  31:54 

because it really is in a solo journey when you're in this conversation and the dialogue is flowing and everything's move can be very, very beautiful. And and just a final point, if any of this sounds a bit new agey to listeners or whatever, realize that this phenomena has been discovered by sages throughout time again and again this is this is another other other people other philosophers might call this the life force. You know, we're just we're allowing the life force to flow through you in a beautiful way you're harmonizing with the Dow of this fundamental force of creation in the universe, but this, whatever language, you need to couch it in, that allows you to embrace it and play with it a bit in an open minded way. Please make that language switch. We've done the best we can here

 

Adeo Ressi  32:39 

well and help you team up with it. So thank you very much, everyone. Have a beautiful, beautiful day.

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